Resolving Relationship Arguments When Nobody’s Right

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If you aren’t yet acquainted with therapist-slash-author Terry Real,
let us bring you into the fold. Real developed a model of relationship
therapy called Relational Life Therapy, which he’s been guiding
couples through in private practice for decades. It’s a
straightforward approach to resolving conflicts, improving
communication, and developing deeper accountability and intimacy. And
it gets results even when traditional couples counseling fails to
make a difference.

In his new book from goop Press,
Us: Getting
Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship
, Real puts forward reminders and readjustments
that could be helpful
wherever your relationship stands now: big-picture perspectives on
partnerhood, psychology nuggets that hit deep, and a whole bunch of
client anecdotes from decades of practice. You’ll surely see pieces of
yourself and your present and past relationships in it. What’s
exceptional about Real’s advice is that it’s (excuse us a moment)
unflinchingly real. He’s not afraid to take sides, and he’ll tell you
to grow up if that’s what you need to hear.

  1. Terrence Real
          Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship
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    Terrence Real
    Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving

    Bookshop, $25


The excerpt here is from chapter two: “The Myth of the Individual.” If
you and your partner have ever been locked in a battle over who’s right,
it’s required reading.

We position ourselves as apart and above in many relationships. We
attempt to control our partners, our kids, our bodies, and even the way
we think (“I will not be so negative”). Take a step back, and you’ll see
that running your relationships from a place of power and control is
lunacy. Even with that awareness, the minute the emotional temperature
begins to rise, more reactive parts of the brain take over, and that is
precisely the model we revert to: “I’m right, and you’re wrong. You win,
and I lose. I can let you in, or I can protect myself.”

Collectively and personally, we stand in desperate need of a new
paradigm. The relational answer to the question “Who’s right and who’s
wrong?” is “Who cares?” The real question is “How are we as a team going
to approach the issue at hand in a way that works for both of us?” The
shift from individualistic to relational thinking may at first seem like
pie-in-the-sky idealism, but I see its transformative potential day by
day in my office.

Let me give a perfectly ordinary example.

Stan: You Can Be Right or Be Married

“He won’t listen!” cries Lucy, who is white and in her mid-thirties. She
flings open her arms as she sits on the edge of the couch, as if to
implore me.

“I don’t get her,” says Stan, also white, and forty-three. He is sinking
his face into his hands, beleaguered, exhausted, as if to say, “No
matter what I do…”

And then there’s me, watching, listening. Lucy and Stan’s marriage is on
the edge of dissolution—and over what? A misapprehension.

This past weekend was a disaster. “It was supposed to be a restorative
time alone together in our house on the Cape,” Lucy tells me. “We were
both looking forward to it. We needed it.” She looks down at her hands.
“We almost didn’t even make it there. I almost turned my car around and
drove home.”

So, what happened?

“It’s so trivial you could laugh,” she says. “But nevertheless…”

Nevertheless, I think—that good old, familiar, nevertheless.

So trivial one could laugh, but nevertheless…worth falling on your
sword over. Domestic life plays out on a small stage full of gigantic

“So, what happened?”

“This whole thing is ridiculous,” Stan declares, one leg pumping,
impatient, annoyed.

“We took two cars,” Lucy cuts him off, taking charge.

“Both were loaded with groceries. So, I couldn’t see out the back.
Already I’m nervous. I don’t like driving at night. I ask Stan to stay
by me, in case I—I don’t know, I get lost, take a wrong turn, whatever.”

“She wanted me to keep an eye on her,” Stan tells me, to hurry the story
along. “Which I did.”

“Which you didn’t,” says Lucy.

“Which is exactly what I did. Look.” Stan turns to me, the arbiter. “I
was winding my way through the traffic—”

“Another issue,” Lucy cuts in.

“Let’s stay focused,” I tell her.

“I’m about two cars ahead of her—”

“But I can’t see him,” Lucy interjects.

“I’ve got her square in my rearview mirror.” Stan’s expression is

I’m already sensing where this is going.

“She calls me, panicked, out of her mind. ‘You said you wouldn’t leave
me!’ Already, she’s like screaming at me.”

“Oh, Stan,” from Lucy, as if dismissing a child.

“Honey, I’m sorry you were out of it, you said—”

“But you left me! After you said—”

“You were right behind me. I told you the goddamn make of the car in
front of you. I was there, honey. There was no need—”

“Why couldn’t you just drop back so—”

“Okay,” I interrupt, “I think I’ve got it.”

Stan and Lucy are caught in a typical who’s-right-who’s-wrong battle,
hinging on their slightly different definitions of what it means to “be
there” for Lucy. And they are both right in saying the argument is
trivial—but then there’s that pesky, nevertheless. Nevertheless can
screw up a marriage. Nevertheless can lead to divorce.

To Lucy, “being there” means being right by her side. For Stan, it means
keeping an eye on her. Who is objectively right? Well, to be fair,
that’s a trick question.

I ask the couples I work with to swallow a few important bitter pills.
Here’s the first: There is no place for objective reality in personal
relationships. Objective reality is great for getting trains to run on
time or for developing an important vaccine, but for ferreting out which
point of view is “valid” in an interpersonal transaction, it is a loser.
It leads to objectivity battles. Is Lucy overreacting, or is Stan
neglecting her? These circular arguments go on forever, like a dog
chasing its own tail; there’s no way out because the assumption of
objective facts is wrong to begin with.

In intimate relationships, it’s never a matter of two people landing on
the one true reality, but rather of negotiating differing subjective
realities. Between the two, I side with Lucy—a difference between
Relational Life Therapy and other therapies. We take sides. Stan is
factually correct but relationally incorrect. Did Stan, as promised,
look after Lucy to make sure she was all right? Yes, absolutely. And if
he had been the one to make the request, he would have been fine. But
Stan isn’t married to Stan. Lucy wanted the comfort of Stan by her side,
in sight of her. It wasn’t his aid she was after, but the reassurance of
his company. In this instance—as in so many others just like it, Lucy
assures me—Stan didn’t “get it.” He missed the point because he wasn’t
thinking relationally. Like so many of the men I treat, Stan was being
instrumental. His focus was on the task at hand, not on the subjective
feelings of his partner. He was looking after her; he was not attending
to her emotional needs.

The noted linguist Deborah Tannen addressed this point in her 1990 book
You Just Don’t Understand, in which she wrote of men’s “report talk”
versus women’s “rapport talk.” “Objectively” Stan was 100 percent right.
At the same time, however, he was 100 percent tin-eared when it came to
his wife’s subjective experience. Worse, every time Lucy tried to tell
him what bothered her, every time she tried to bridge the gap between
them, Stan only retreated more staunchly into his precious rightness.

“Let me explain,” I try helping Stan out. “Let’s see if you can’t change
your reference point. When Lucy speaks, you, Stan, have two
orientations, two reference points that you use as touchstones. The
first is objective reality. Did you or did you not look after her as she
wished? Is she or is she not valid in her assessment? To which I say, my
friend, ‘Good luck!’ Was she, or wasn’t she; did she, or didn’t she—I’m
sorry Stan. I’m afraid no one cares. What you’re doing is applying the
scientific method to your relationship. It doesn’t work.

“And your second point of reference, judging by the look on your face,
has been, well…you. You tell yourself, ‘Oh my god. Do I really
need to listen to this?’”

Stan stirs on the couch, but he’s not balking.

I go on. “What I want you to do is change your reference. Just try it.
It’s not about accuracy, I’m sorry to tell you, and it’s certainly not
about you or how put out you are by the whole thing. Stan, it’s about
Lucy, her feelings, her reality—her subjective experience. In this
moment, right now, ask yourself, would you rather make the case that
you’re right, or would you rather make peace with your wife and help her
feel better?”

“Meaning?” he says, tentative but listening.

“Here’s the ten-thousand-dollar line, Stan. Ready?”

He nods.

I turn to Lucy, role-playing Stan. The first thing I do is soften my
expression, my voice. “Honey,” I say gently, “I’m sorry you felt bad. I
didn’t mean to make you feel that way. Is there anything I can say or do
right now that would help you feel better?” Then I turn to Stan. “‘I’m
sorry you feel bad,’” I repeat. “‘Is there anything I can say to help
you feel better?’ Stamp that on your forehead,” I tell him. “Put it on
your mirror when you shave in the morning.”

Stan says nothing, sitting quietly, thinking it over.

Next to him, Lucy cries.

“If those tears could speak,” I say, turning toward her, “what would
they be saying?”

“It’s just…,” she begins but falters. “It’s just…” It doesn’t
matter if she’s momentarily inarticulate; I know why she’s crying. She
dragged her husband to three therapists before me, and not one of them
had taken him on. She’s crying from relief.

Even though he is on the brink of divorce, Stan isn’t a bad guy. What he
argued so vehemently for, the point he got so defensive about, was, in
fact, right—in the linear, individualistic, Newtonian world we all live
in. But to be emotionally present to his wife, all he needs to do is
trade in his usual worldview for a completely different paradigm.
Listen, clients drag their partners in to see me not because they want
better communication—although that’s what many initially say—or to
improve a few behavioral transactions. Women like Lucy bring in men like
Stan so I can teach them how to be more relational.

What Lucy wants is nothing less than a whole different Stan. Most
couples’ therapists back away from such bold aspirations, but in
Relational Life Therapy we embrace it. “I’m in the personality
transplant business,” I tell Lucy, then turn to Stan. “Wanna try it?”

“Like?” Stan looks alarmed. I smile.

“Turn to your wife right now, and tell her something from the heart,” I
coach him, and bless him if, with a bit of encouragement, he doesn’t

“Lucy,” he takes her hand. “I’m sorry, okay? I’m sorry you felt so
abandoned that day.”

“And you’re sorry you didn’t hear her,” I add.

“I am,” Stan says. “Really. No BS. I wish I could have listened better.”
He looks at his wife’s tearful face.

“Wanna hug from the guy?” I ask her, and she lurches forward, reaching
for him. “Take your time,” I tell them, as Stan rocks her gently. “Take
all the time you need.”

Stan’s well-meaning but misguided loyalty to “sorting things out,” that
is, to determining the one right reality about it (which was, of course,
his), deprived them both of moments like the one they are having now in
my office: moments of repair. Virtually all the couples I see in
extremis, like Stan and Lucy, lack a mechanism of correction. They feel
it important not to sweep things under the rug; rather, they are
committed to trying to resolve things. The problem is that their model
of resolution is to come to agreement—to figure out the one correct
answer, to be on the same page together. It’s a common, deep, and
understandable wish. Unfortunately, for most partners, the one right
version of the story is, well, mine—and my stubborn partner thinks the
same of theirs. The paradox is that resolution comes only by giving up
that dream and taking in that you and your partner are not, in fact,
going to see all things the same way.

And you needn’t. You can have different realities, which in turn may
kick out a different set of emotions for each of you. When Stan stopped
defending himself and instead tended to his wife’s bruised feelings, she
felt heard, the chasm between them was bridged, and everyone could
breathe again. That moment brings up an important point. Relationality
doesn’t mean that you’re both seeing with the same eyes, thinking the
same thoughts, and feeling the same emotions; Relationality is not some
boundaryless form of fusion. Quite the opposite—relationality demands an
I. But it’s an I embedded in a larger context. By recognizing that Lucy
might have a legitimate vision of reality that differs from his, I am
actually inviting Stan to be more differentiated from her, not less, but
differentiated within that larger whole called his marriage.

What I’d like us to appreciate is that shifting from an individualistic,
linear world to a relational one can be nothing short of transformative.
As clients learn to think and act relationally, their character, their
level of emotional development, evolves, often dramatically. They come
to live for the most part in their Wise Adult self, led by the right
hemisphere and governed by the prefrontal cortex. As we learn to think
and act relationally, simply put, we grow up.

Terrence Real is an internationally recognized family therapist,
speaker, and author. He founded the Relational Life Institute, offering
workshops for couples, individuals, and parents along with a
professional training program for clinicians to learn his Relational
Life Therapy methodology. In addition to
Us: Getting Past
You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship
, he is the bestselling author of
I Don’t Want to
Talk About It
How Can I Get
Through to You?
, and
The New Rules of

Excerpted from
copyright © 2022 by Terry Real. Foreword by Bruce Springsteen. Published
by goop Press/Rodale Books, an imprint of Penguin Random House, a
division of Penguin Random House LLC, New York. All rights reserved. No
part of this excerpt may be reproduced or reprinted without permission
in writing from the publisher.

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